Uncovering the Truth About Canada’s Covid-19 Response

Shabnam Palesa Mohamed engages in an informative conversation with Ken Drysdale, lead commissioner from the National Citizens Inquiry. The NCI is a people-led initiative focused on Covid-19, to listen to Canadian citizens, learn from experts, and recommend protections against the violations of rights through what governments call health emergencies.

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The NCI has been created to support the following objectives:

1. TO LISTEN to the stories of Canadians impacted by the health protection measures adopted, and to the testimonies of experts, including those whose narratives differ from the governmental narrative.
   1. 3-out-of-4 Canadians report having been harmed by Canada’s COVID-19 policies.
   2. In particular, Canadians expressed harms concerning isolation, increased divorce or family tension, disruptions to the lives of children and students, job and income losses, business failures, increased mental and physical health stress, reduced healthcare quality, and limitations on rights and freedoms.
2. TO LEARN what went right and what went wrong during the past three years, and what are the lessons to be learned from Canada’s COVID-19 experience?
3. TO RECOMMEND ways and means of ensuring that any future national crises are better managed, harms mitigated, and trust in public institutions upheld.

Find the full 5,342-page investigative report, titled Inquiry into the Appropriateness and Efficacy of the COVID-19 Response in Canada, here: https://nationalcitizensinquiry.ca/commissioners-report/

To learn more about preventing the abuse of human rights through public health emergency declarations, read the World Council for Health’s legal brief here: https://wchlive.unitedly.co/legal/

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Who is Ken Drysdale?

• Ken Drysdale is more than an accomplished executive engineer; he’s an entrepreneur, a seasoned author, a dynamic speaker, and an unwavering advocate for democracy. He is not just a dedicated professional but also a loving husband to Rosalie and a proud father to six grown children and a doting grandfather to five wonderful grandchildren.
• With a remarkable career spanning over four decades, Ken boasts extensive experience as a Professional Engineer, including an impressive 29 years in the helm of national and regional engineering businesses, where he played pivotal roles in their development and management.
• Ken currently holds the esteemed position of Chairman of the Independent Commissioners at the National Citizens Inquiry. He is also celebrated as the co-author of the groundbreaking 5,342-page investigative report, titled Inquiry into the Appropriateness and Efficacy of the COVID-19 Response in Canada.

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This is a really exciting event. Two days down in the West Country, where the old farmers are. Well, the farmers are everywhere, of course. And hopefully we’re going to have some lovely sunny day in June to get rid of all the nasties that are in the environment. Well, it’s going to be a beautiful event. It’s on an organic farm called Winkworth Farm, and it’s not too far from Bath and just near Swindon. So it’s very central. We hope it’ll draw many people from around certainly the southern part and Midlands. And it’s possible to come just for a day or for the whole weekend. The first day, we’re going to have… a panel on detox as a supportive measure for cancer and prevention of cancer. We’re going to have a detox panel on Detoxing from the COVID jabs, which we all know are very toxic GMO products. We’re going to have, let me just have a look here. We’re also going to have a detox from the NHS. Aha, that would be good. That’s on the Friday. Detox from the NHS or beta systems, how we create beta systems. It’s all about staying healthy in a very toxic world. Hello and welcome to today’s episode of Better Way Today. Let me pull up my slides here. So I don’t know where you are joining us from, but it’s another warm and sunny day where I am. Spent some time in my garden yesterday planting some new things, and I wish I was outside with them watching them grow. If you’re watching us live right now, it would be wonderful if you’d take a moment to say hello in the chat and let us know where you’re tuning in from, and maybe if it’s warm and sunny where you are too. I am here today with my friend and and two other little friends I have with me here today that are keeping me happy at my desk. Such good company. So today we’re going to hear a conversation between our very own Shabnam Palaisa-Mohamed and Ken Drysdale. He’s the lead commissioner from the National Citizens Inquiry in Canada. The NCI is a people-led initiative focused on COVID-19 to listen to Canadian citizens, learn from experts, and recommend protections against the violations of rights through what governments call health emergencies. We will share more about Ken as well as the NCI a little bit later in today’s show. But now it’s time for some announcements. Let me get to those and make them a bit bigger for you. So this week, our mind health committee is hosting a free quantum healing session with committee member Jerry Pives. This event takes place on Zoom. You do have to register for it. You can find that link at worldcouncilforhealth.org slash mind health. This is an excellent opportunity to spend some time with yourself and your nervous system through some healing self-touch in a safe group environment. If you haven’t tried a quantum healing session yet, I do highly recommend it. Again, you can find the link for that at worldcouncilforhealth.org slash mindhealth. World Freedom Week is almost here. This is starting May 24th through the 1st of June. We are going to have special events taking place all throughout the week that some of them are our own events, as well as our country councils around the world are going to be holding events. So stay tuned for more information about those. We also have one happening on Monday right here in the WCH newsroom and on the various streaming platforms where you’re joining us today. Tune in on Monday at 6 p.m. I believe, yep, at 6 p.m. UTC for Can the Who Be Reformed? This includes Shabnam Palaisa Muhammad, Dr. Tess Laurie, Dr. Astrid Stuckelberger, Dr. Wahomey Nagare, Fari Hassan, and Dr. Meryl Nass. It’s hard to believe, but the Better Way Detox Fair is almost here. Embark on a journey to holistic wellbeing at the first of its kind in the UK this June, the Better Way Detox Fair. Bringing together a blend of allopathic and holistic practitioners, this unique event promises a fusion of traditional and alternative approaches to health. This fair will empower and educate you to take action to optimize your health, boost your immune system, and improve your well-being. And we have some very exciting news to share that you see on the screen right there. The bald explorer Richard Vobes has agreed to be our Master of Ceremonies at this year’s fair. And to help celebrate this incredible news, we’re giving you 50% off tickets now through Tuesday at midnight UK time. So please be sure to run, not walk, over to betterwayevents.org and get your tickets while you still can. We would absolutely love to see you at the fair. The artificial intelligence stuff is terrifying. They actually have figured out how to do this, even if they don’t even really understand what they’re doing. They sort of stumbled into it by trying to train a machine to do something just by predicting the next word, and lo and behold, it seems to be able to do something similar to thought. And they think it isn’t thought, and I’m concerned. that we don’t know, we don’t know that we don’t learn to think in exactly the way that they have now got the AIs thinking. So that technology is extremely dangerous. Its capacity to derange us is utterly profound. The capacity to simply render you unable to figure out which way is up, is here more or less today. And if it’s not here today, it’ll be here three years from now. So I don’t know what we’re going to do about that. But in the other regards, biology is superior to technology for the moment. The people who claim this are not as powerful as they say. I wonder also though, if we are not falling into a little bit of a trap, focusing on Klaus Schwab and Noah Harari, they’re a little bit too cartoonish, right? That cartoon villain thing is a little over the top. The fact that Harari looks like Gollum, I think it’s a bit of a trick, right? The people who really are wielding impressive levels of power aren’t on stage. 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Yeah, I’m going to bring Christoph back here because it’s time to hand it over to you for this week’s Better News. Thanks so much, Emma. And yeah, it was indeed sunny here. And I’ve been harvesting nettles in order to dry them for the cold season. And my hands are full of blisters, but it was good fun. Actually, you know, before we pull your slides up on screen, we’ve had a couple of little tech difficulties today. Maybe the nettles have… I hadn’t thought about that. It came off your hands and your computer’s a little swollen. Yeah, well, let’s see if the screen will enlarge. Here you go, and I’ll leave it to you. Okay. Well, hello and welcome to another episode of Better Way News, again with a selection of some of the most important news that have been created in the last week. One of them certainly deserves a big stage, and that is a new study that just came out associating mammograms with an 84% higher mortality rate for breast cancer. So that comes to critically thinking people not as a surprise because there have been numerous studies claiming the same thing. And just to tell you, Switzerland banned mammograms. So there are good options. There are very sensitive ultrasounds out there that pose no danger and MRI scans. So please look out for your health. And next one. is another discovery after we’ve heard numerous studies about the role of masks and lockdowns and their failure and how they’ve even been counterproductive Another interesting statement had been made, this time by Francis Collins, the head of the NIH, and he confirmed under oath what others like Gottlieb and Fauci had said previously, that the six-foot distancing was made up and there’s absolutely no science behind it. So, next one is a very exciting and important study that came out from two German researchers. That’s Professor Koenig and Kirchner. And they found that the Pfizer COVID vaccines, which had been originally discovered by Kevin McKernan, exceeded 500 times the allowable levels of DNA contaminations. So the big thing is with this study and many, many others that are looking into this topic of plasmid, because it’s not just ordinary DNA contamination, it’s plasmid contamination. And we know now about several pathways, how they could potentially integrate into our genome. And whilst we’ve been told in the past that this couldn’t happen, well, if we look at the next slide, we see that that is a slide of Kevin McKernan’s presentation at the ICD, that even in the patent of Moderna, you can see that the risk of genetic integration talks here of the risk of insertional mutagenesis. please watch out for more studies to come on this highly highly important topic we’ve had so many red lines that have been crossed but the to accept the fact that it could genetically integrate our genome has such far uh reaching consequences that this study alone should alert all medical regulatory boards to immediately stop the injections. So thank you, Professor Koenig and Dr. Kirchner for this important study. and now to the next one uh that’s an interesting one because um as you know uh with all the attacks on farmers and their livelihoods cows have been been a target of co2 uh problems and thus the climate change but um if you look at all the measures this cow is not just a cute picture you might say with hearts and a mask, but masking, genetic modifications, chemicals in food and even vaccines to lower methane have been so far methods that have been tried out and are currently in use on cows apart from culling them in order to reduce climate, their effects on climate change, but If you look at the studies that are coming out at the moment, if you just look at the overall ethane emissions, that if the cows are removed, it actually increases the amount of methane to the wetlands and the ecosystem, the research showed. so that the ecosystem is on carbon as a result of the animals being on the land so uh here’s to you our little cow and um here’s to the argumentation that there should be something wrong with you well we know that um industrial farming certainly isn’t a good thing but there are many many aspects that we could consider in trying to get our cows in a peaceful organic way back into our fields so thank you very much for this important study and just as usual something to lift up your spirits If you’re running low in energy or you’re having certain health problems, why don’t you try the cheapest way to achieve better health? Just stop eating food for several hours a day. You all probably heard of the 16-8 rule. Skip breakfast, skip the evening meal. If you really want to lose weight, then skip the evening meal and you will have so many wonderful results. aspects in your body um detoxifying debris and renewing yourselves um just try it out if you haven’t started with it already so and as usual we’ll finish with a little quote today it comes from europe and that’s um good old william shakespeare our bodies are our gardens our wills are our gardeners so with this I come back to emma and wish all of you an inspiring evening and all the best Thank you so much, Christoph. I always prefer your news over everyone else’s. And I love how you end it with an inspiring quote every time. I think there are so many beautiful things happening on the planet. I’d rather actually be 90% of focusing on all the beauty, but it’s good to be informed as well. It is, it is. But it’s very important to have a balance. Absolutely. Yes, especially good to end all of that with a positive quote. Thank you. Well, now we’re going to head to our interview. Like I said earlier, we’ve got Ken Drysdale. Ken is an accomplished executive engineer. He’s an entrepreneur, a seasoned author, a dynamic speaker, and an advocate for democracy. He is a dedicated professional and a loving husband and a proud father to six grown children and a grandfather to five, he says, wonderful grandchildren. With a remarkable career spanning over four decades, Ken boasts extensive experience as a professional engineer, including an impressive 29 years in the home of national and regional engineering businesses, where he played pivotal roles in their development and management. He currently holds the esteemed position of Chairman of the Independent Commissioners at the National Citizens Inquiry. He’s also celebrated as the co-author of their groundbreaking 5,342-page investigative report titled Inquiry into the Appropriateness and Efficacy of the COVID-19 Response in Canada. You can learn more about the National Citizens Inquiry on their website at nationalcitizensinquiry.ca. And without further ado, I am going to play our interview with Ken. Hello, everyone, and welcome to this Better Way Today special. And I’ll be hosting a conversation with Ken Drysdale from the National Citizens Inquiry in Canada. It’s an excellent initiative aimed at transparency around the COVID-19 chapter or era, if you prefer. And hopefully the enormous amount of work that this inquiry has done will help us further the cause for justice and accountability. Ken, thank you very much for joining World Council for Health today on Better Way Today. Well, it’s a pleasure to be here. Thank you for giving me this opportunity to talk about the National Citizens Inquiry. You are most welcome. Tell us more about yourself and how you got involved in this inquiry and then tell us more about the inquiry itself. Well, it was an interesting way that I got involved in it about a year before the national citizens inquiry started. I had created a document that was euphemistically called the 89 page report. Which was essentially trying to bring criminal charges forth concerning what the, what had been done with regard to the mandates, the lockdowns, the vaccinations in Canada. And, you know, we just thought that was going to be a small thing. And I think we’re at 3 million copies have gone out now around the world. It was delivered right across Canada. Every police station, every politician must have got hundreds, if not thousands of copies. There were literally tens of thousands of Canadians who made it their purpose to send out that report across the country. So, with that in my background, I got a phone call from the National Citizens Inquiry and wanted to know if I was if I wanted to work with them and be one of the commissioners. And of course, once I found out what the National Citizen’s Inquiry was all about and what their scope was, I absolutely agreed. And what the National Citizen’s Inquiry was about is it started, we started hearings, public hearings about what had been done in Canada concerning the pandemic in March of 2023. and there were four independent commissioners and when I say we were independent we were completely independent of the operation of the commission itself and that was done on purpose in order to make sure that there was no bias or no influence on what the commissioners would be doing and what we did was is we went across canada from coast to coast You know, that’s 5 time zones and we spent 2 and a half months. We stopped in 8 cities. We spent 3 full days of testimony in each cities and we operated similar to a public inquiry. Where we brought in witnesses, and they testified under oath. We had lawyers that examined and cross-examined those witnesses. It was done in front of a citizen gallery, so to speak, in each city. Of course, people would come and witness what was going on. And that was all done in front of a board of four commissioners who we listened to the testimony, we questioned the witnesses, we directed how the testimonies and the hearings were carried out. And so after going to eight cities holding 24 days of testimony, and when I say 24 days, those were like 12, 14 or more hour days, we heard 305 witnesses who testified under oath. I think 90 some of those witnesses were experts in their field and the rest were everyday Canadians. You know, they ranged from truck drivers to teachers to pharmacists to scientists to nurses. It was a really cross, a real cross section of Canadian society. And essentially what happened is, is those people came forward and they told us their stories. And those stories range from people who lost the loved ones due to vaccine injuries or vaccine deaths. There were people in Canada who were denied medical treatment because they refused to take the vaccines. And, you know, the terrible part about that was, is that those instances happened in late 2022. And that was at a time when everyone knew. That the vaccines were dangerous. They didn’t prevent spread. They didn’t prevent infection. You know, they didn’t do any of the things that they told us that they did. And yet a number of instances in Canada, the medical establishment held back life-saving medical treatments to people who died as a result of it. And we had people testifying about how they lost their jobs, how their families split up because there was disagreements. We heard stories about the, in my opinion, criminal behavior that occurred in the medical establishment, that occurred in the media establishment. And we had testimony that pretty much touched every part of Canadian society, you know, from how seniors were treated to the medical establishment, to interference in the doctor-patient privilege. to the loss of employment. We even had testimony with regard to how the economy of Canada was affected. You know, our national debt went from about 680 billion dollars to 1.3 trillion dollars across the pandemic. And you have to ask your question, what did we get for it? So I can pause you there, Ken, on the economic aspect. There are many economists, at least those who are honest, who describe what happened during COVID-19 as a heist. In other words, the greatest transfer of wealth from the poor and the so-called middle class to the millionaire and billionaire class, otherwise known as the parasites. So what you’ve seen in Canada is certainly reflective around the world. And it’s part of what we or Naomi Klein calls disaster capitalism. What are your thoughts? Oh, you’re absolutely right. I mean, there were several instances, and there’s a very famous instance in Canada where Canada decided to put in place a tracking system that they called ArriveCAN, and this tracking system was used to track citizens. Uh, as they cross the border into in and out of Canada, and, you know, the budget for that system was somewhere in this in the 3 or 4 or 5Million dollar range. Well, they spent close to 60, or I think it was 60Million dollars on the end. And there’s no accounting. No one knows where the money was spent. There’s no records. The Auditor General did a report on it, but yet nobody’s been arrested yet from this incredible fraud where this thing was, you know, they spent money that was probably eight or nine times what was budgeted for it, and no one understands why. And it turns out that the major contractor in that was a couple of guys who were working out of their basement. It’s incredible the boondoggles that happened. And in our report, the National Citizen Inquiry did prepare a report. And we have a section on what happened financially and we report and we actually show what we took from the Government of Canada’s website that shows where money was being spent on these programs. And it’s incredible. you know what they were doing with the money saying it was for the pandemic and and it wasn’t and and the information’s there but people don’t seem to want to know it or they or they they don’t seem to know what I want to know how to do that research so that was part of the reason for the inquiry And as a result of the hearings that we held, the 24 days of hearings coast to coast, the National Citizens Inquiry prepared a 5,400 page detailed encyclopedic report about what happened. And about 643 pages of that is analysis and discussion. And we tell you about who the witnesses were. And the rest of that is actually the sworn transcriptions of the witness testimony. so people can go in and they can read the the are the analysis and see what we’re recommending and we recommended somewhere around 400 different recommendations and then they can recommendations which I’m very interested in you and I had engaged around that before and I think they’re excellent can you navigate us through the website and the contents page of the report can you show that navigation to us Absolutely the, the, um, the report can be accessed at the national citizens inquiry website, which is www.nationalcitizensinquiry.ca. And if you. When you visit that site, you can see across the top there’s tabs and the tabs. There’s 1 tab that says commissioners report. you can click on that and for free and anonymously you can download that report you can download it all in one file and it’s a fairly large file or we’ve actually split it up into two smaller files as well so you can download it and have your own version of it for free or the print copies are now available and that’s just hot off the presses they they just became available on amazon you can get them in kindle or you can get them in paperback And the report is, when you buy it in a paperback, it’s, sorry, I’m just distracted with what we’ve got up on the screen right now. But if you buy it from Amazon, it’s actually 13 bound books that make up the entire report. It’s an interesting thing. So what you want to touch there is where it says, there we go. So this is the download page for the, uh, for the report. And if you page up, if you scroll down a little bit, like you’re doing, no, keep going. Sorry, scrolling up. You’ll come a little more, a little more, a little more. Uh, there we go. And that’s what I was talking about. You can download them here. So you can download them in two separate files, volumes one and two, and then volume three, or you can download the full report. It’s just a matter of how big a file that you want to, uh, download on one, whatever device you’re using. And like I said, you can go to Amazon and you can now buy these books in paperback form. There’s also, if we can go back up to the homepage. Ah, there we go. And if you click on, it says the 2023 hearings. Yeah, where it says the 2023 hearings. Yeah, and click on that. And what you get here is, and if you scroll down, what you have here is you have a listing of all of the cities that we visited. And if you click on any one of those cities, let’s click on Ottawa, for instance, which is on your screen right now. And what you get here is for each day of the hearings you get a list and chronological order of all of the testimonies and if you click on any of those, for instance, click on Sheila Lewis it’s about in the middle of that scroll on day one in Ottawa. Where it says Sheila Lewis if you click on that person, it will take you to another page. And it gives you, and again, if you scroll down, it gives you the video because all of the testimonies were videotaped. You slow down, there’s a transcript there. So you can click on the transcript and you can actually download the complete transcript sworn testimony of that witness. And you can get a summary there as well. So you can watch the testimony as we watched it on video. You can download the transcript of any of those witnesses that you’re interested in. And you can read the report on this thing. So this is a permanent archive. It is the largest archive in the world of sworn testimony of people talking about what happened to them during the pandemic. And it’s encyclopedic. We had no restriction as the Commission. We had no restriction as to subject matter or length or anything else. We were just told that we had to do a report based on the testimony we received. And the testimony came from Canadians who wrote in to the Commission requesting to be witnesses, that they had something to say, they had some stories to tell. So I think it’s important to note that this was a completely citizen led effort. There was no government money in this. There was no big corporate money, no pharma money. This was all money that came from everyday Canadians where they would donate $10, $20, $30. And we had probably upwards of a thousand volunteers across Canada arranging the meetings and bringing the witnesses in and pre-screening the witnesses. And the report itself was written entirely by the four commissioners. There was no ghost writers. There was no other people influencing that. At the end of the hearings, which was the end of May of 2023, the commissioners went away and we worked until November 28th on that report and on November 28th we issued the report all 5,400 pages of it. And, you know, I challenge anyone to look at a normal government inquiry and tell me how much it would cost to produce such a report, and how long it would take. These things usually take 3, 4, 5, 7, 10 years to do, and they cost tens of millions of dollars. That’s why they take so long, because A, there’s no political will, and two, there’s money to be made. Can you talk about some of the recommendations? I mean, this is a phenomenal body of work, and I have great respect for the National Citizens Inquiry and, of course, everyone who participated from the commissioners to, in particular, the witnesses who shared their testimony from different experts in the health movement, but also those who suffered from the organized tyranny of COVID-19. What are some of the recommendations in this report? you know the recommendations are broken up across um different subject areas so uh we were cognizant at the time we wrote this thing that you know this was going to be a huge report and it was going to be somewhat intimidating for people so we produced a 15-page interactive table of contents and what people can do is they can just go down into section 8 which is the recommendation section and pick something that they’re interested in a topic perhaps they want to know about informed consent and we had a large section on that because in Canada and in most other parts of the world that I’m aware of there was no informed consent and so we talk about that laws were broken and tasks have to be taken you know somebody has to be held to account know particularly in canada where informed consent just it has there’s a number of nuances to inform consent in canada you know one being that they’re supposed your medical practitioners supposed to tell you you know everything they know about it about the procedure or the treatment and you’re supposed to make a decision based on an information well it didn’t happen but the other thing that didn’t happen in canada is medical professionals are legislated to if they have an idea or if they’re suspicious that their patient is being influenced to take a certain procedure or a medication, then they’re supposed to refuse to give that. Well, they, no 1 can say that they didn’t know that people’s jobs are being threatened or that they were being locked away from their families. So so we talk about things like that and we make hard recommendations about investigating these people and bringing, bringing them to task in the courts. And then taking steps to address those issues. And again, I want to continue along the lines in the medical profession here in Canada, but the colleges of physicians and surgeons, that’s the medical organizations in Canada, were tyrannical. And they did things that, in my opinion, and in the opinion of the other commissioners were illegal, and they need to be held to account. But more than that, we were recommending that those organizations now have to have civilian oversight. And we went into detail about how that civilian oversight is put together. In other words, it’s not some politician’s brother in law who can’t get a job somewhere. And we see too much of that going on out there. so there’s there’s things that have to do they’re very practical recommendations they’re all in very plain english and and and language that people can understand you know we talk about um uh the the censorship that happened to scientists and to the medical profession and other professions for that matter and we make recommendations about that we talk about the media The mainstream media and the government media in Canada, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, and we’re calling for the dismantling of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. They’re too far gone. And yet we made, you know, we made some, I think, very innovative. recommendations concerning the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. They have tremendous equipment facilities across Canada. And what we’re saying is that the CBC should become a training ground or a rental ground for people who make media, for alternate media producers, that they can go in and they can use these facilities. but that the CBC should never be entrusted to to to to to inform Canadians again. But we can use my favorite recommendations in the report. Can I’ve got to say it’s what needs to happen with almost all the broadcasters around the world experience similar issues in South Africa with the sort of more corporate MSM, but also the national broadcaster. Yes, there were flashes of brilliance in between where honest journalists would reach out and ask questions and interview some of us, including myself, but those were few and far between, largely because many of them were funded or subsidized by the pharmaceutical industry and its friends. I want to talk about what can people do with this report? Are you aware of it being used in any judicial proceedings, quasi-judicial? What can you share with us? Yes, it’s being used all across the country in regards to litigation. Now, the testimony, because it was done outside of the judicial system can’t be used directly. But what we’re finding is, is that lawyers and paralegals are using it as a resource. so that they go in and they look and they can find a witness and they can find expert testimony and then they can contact those witnesses and expert testimony because this thing is is like an encyclopedia of issues so they’re using it as a resource and and and and a sourcing for uh witnesses and for opinion etc that they can continue to use but you know I want to emphasize that The National Citizen’s Inquiry and the report that we did, as encyclopedic and incredible as it is, if it just sits on a shelf, it has no value. But if Canadians pick it up, or people around the world start to get ahold of this report and use it as a template to do something in their own countries, or Canadians start to inform themselves, and they start to use that information to make change, then there will be change. But if Canadians ignore this and it ends up being another dusty book on the shelf, perhaps a decade from now, it’ll be re-remembered and become a historical reference. But the only value in this is if people pick it up and they use it. last question for you ken how can initiatives like the national citizens inquiry reshape reimagine how we think about democracy and I mean democracy in its true sense which is you know direct democracy and public participation and not this representative democracy sham that we have going on right now well you know that’s already it’s already starting to have an effect on that and and I i often Think of the national citizens inquiry, and the report is out like a fire alarm. So you imagine you’re in your house and the fire alarm’s going off. Do you sit on the couch and keep listening to it? Because maybe it might change or do you have to take action? You have to get out of the house, there’s a fire. And that’s what the National Citizens Inquiry Report is doing is it’s sounding the alarm and it’s waking people up and people are waking up and they’re mad when they start to understand exactly what happened and they start to understand the human side to it. You know, I could tell you story after story after story of these incredibly human experiences people had where people lost their loved ones, their mothers, their fathers, their sons to this thing. And when you, and it’s that, You know, we need to touch each other on a human emotional level it’s one thing to talk about how they cheated in the regulations and how, in my opinion, they had fraud and what they were telling people. But when you get down to the human side of it, and you have some little old lady or a little old man telling you how he was beaten. because he went into a store without a mask on because he had COPD but that didn’t matter and then as he was thrown out of this public space how the police the national police in Canada came in and beat allegedly beat them and threw them in the car and arrested them when you start to hear that when you start to hear that they were people were denied transplants and they withered away and died in my opinion executed by their government So it’s those stories, it’s those human stories that is what’s going to inspire people to pick up, you know, democracy and get involved. Because that’s when that’s when you’re engaging the heart of the nation and the soul of the citizens. That’s the way to get through this. You have to inspire people through their emotions and through their heart. And they need to understand because the mainstream media has not been reporting any of that human side. Powerful statement indeed from Ken Drysdale. I’m going to take a moment to highlight a legal brief that World Council for Health has created. It was part of the team involved in its drafting, and it’s really one of the most significant documents that we have produced at World Council for Health. I would urge everyone to read it. Ken, I’m sure I’ve introduced it to you as well. And it’s called Preventing the Abuse of Public Health Emergencies. Lawful criteria to declare a state of emergency with public interest recommendations and, in summary, prior to the declaration of a state of emergency, the onus is on the government to show that the so called public health crisis threatens the life of the nation. And that this threat meets the following four criteria, the threat must be one actual or imminent to involve the whole nation three place the continuation of the organized life of society at risk of extinction. And for be so extraordinary that ordinary measures for protecting public health and order are clearly inadequate. A public health emergency that does not meet with these criteria would not constitute a legitimate threat to the life of the nation. And of course, declaring a state of emergency outside of these criteria, it’s unlawful. And the reason I’m sharing this, of course, today during this interview or conversation with Ken is because we all need to become familiar with these criteria. The next time our government acting on the recommendations of the World Health Organization or the United Nations, for that matter, decide to impose a state of emergency. We know our rights. We do not have to comply, but we do need to stand together. Thank you very much, Kendra. It’s been an absolute pleasure to be engaging with you, and I look forward to engaging more in future. Thank you. It was a pleasure. Well, thank you so much to Shabnam and to Ken for that very informative interview. Hopefully you all have a chance to visit the National Citizens Inquiry website. I will put the URL for that back up on the screen. And as they showed you during that interview, if you head over to the website and you go up to the top to Commissioner’s Report, you can find the full report there. You can download it in full or in three parts. You can also find a copy that you can purchase on Amazon as well. So thank you to both of them. And thank you to Christoph, my co-host, for joining us today and for sharing some better news with us. And of course, thank you, all of you, for joining us, for watching, for sharing, for your continued support. We wouldn’t be here at the World Council for Health if it wasn’t for you. Thank you. Let’s see. I think that is the end of today’s show. I’ve got another great little clip with Tess and Richard Vobes from a recent interview talking about our upcoming Better Way Detox Fair that I’m going to play out with. We will see you all next week for that special event during World Freedom Week. Same time, same place for that um little little different thing than a normal better way today so hopefully see you on that monday um thanks everyone bye the whole point of this this event is to really help people get and stay healthy but we especially designed this event very affordable so that we can reach as many people as possible who need help at this time. And those who are concerned about shedding and those who are concerned about the stratospheric aerosol injections and the fluoride, as you say, and EMF practical solutions to getting healthy from all of these toxins and staying healthy. Thank you for watching this episode of Better Way today. 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