UVC: Dr. EV Rapiti: A GP’s Perspective on Causation

The inaugural Understanding Vaccine Causation Conference, convened by World Council for Health Steering Committee Member, Shabnam Palesa Mohamed, took place on Feb. 5, 2022. The WCH Law and Activism Committee brought together legal practitioners, doctors, scientists, and jab victim data and advocacy groups to explore a key question: How are jab adverse events proved?

Dr. EV Rapiti joined the Medical Practice panel for his presentation, A GP’s Perspective on Causation.

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[00:00:06] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Moving on then to our next session, medical practice, we’re going to begin with Dr. EV Rapiti. And before I introduce his topic, I’m going to ask him to please tell us about yourself, Dr. Rapiti and why this conference is so important. 

[00:00:23] Dr. Rapiti: Hi, good evening, Shabnam and to the panelists. Thank you for inviting me. Yeah, I think enough rot has gone on and I think medical profession stands guilty of not standing up in addition to fight the fraud that’s going on.

[00:00:40] Being a freedom fighter all my life, I find this as another challenge. And even if I’m alone, I’m not going to back down. And I just think a grave injustice has been done to humanity. I considered this world war three, where a cabal of wealthy people have assaulted the entire human race and they divided people into vaxxed and unvaxxed, but really the entire human race is at a loss here.

[00:01:08] And I feel my duty, you know, like Martin Luther King says, if you stand back in the midst of a wrong, you are complicit of that wrong. And I’m very happy to be part of this group and to give mindful of it. Thank you. 

[00:01:21] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Thank you very much Dr. EV Rapiti, of course, a very, very experienced frontline worker general practitioner who also counseled in the area of mind health in South Africa in one of the poorest communities in South Africa.

[00:01:35] And of course, Dr. EV Rapiti, we agreed that the topic you would be able to speak best to is a general practitioners perspective on causation. You have 15 to 20 minutes, the mic is yours. 

[00:01:48] Dr. Rapiti: Okay. The way I’m going to do this presentation is, and I’m going to do it as a frontline doctor and talk about my cases that I’ve seen, and what we’re going to be doing, we’re the clinicians, remember a year ago, lots of experts amongst the doctors and scientists and virologists gave us their theories of what is the spike protein and what it could do. And I, as a clinician can time that conjecture or prediction, with clinical signs, and that’s what I’m going to do.

[00:02:18] So I’m going to show you the different aspects. I think for the non-medical people, the spike protein is a toxic protein. It resides in a receptor. Let’s call it like the Palm of my hand. Every cell in your body has almost got an ACE two receptor, and wherever that spike protein goes, it’s going to cause damage.

[00:02:38] That was what was mentioned by neurologists like Sucharit Bhakdi who is quite now ,famous. And he was saying, if it was in the blood vessels, for example, you would get clotting and wherever it occurs, you’re going to get damage through inflammation. 

[00:02:53] So I’m going to give you a list of cases. We’re going to go through them very quickly. And then we’re going to show how it’s affected different parts of the body. 

[00:03:01] Here’s a 26-year-old female. She was treated by me for a Delta strain infection in August. She went for a jab in early September 2021, when she was forced by her work. Two weeks later, she presented to me with a left Bell’s palsy, severe left-sided headaches I diagnosed as a trigeminal neuralgia. 

[00:03:22] So it was a two week difference, and I’m not going to go into too much detail about causality with regards to time. I think we need to understand one thing here. This is going to be forever. Going to Professor Bhakdi, the spike protein turns every cell into a factory that produces millions of these, and for the rest of their lives, people who got this vaccine can have the spike and wherever it lands up, it can cause damage. So this thing about having a time interval, doesn’t apply. This is a completely different situation. 

[00:03:53] This patient, very well treated by me now ended up with a jab, with this pain, 26-year-old young lady could not sleep at night, cried out in pain. She was severely depressed for the past five months. The fund took no responsibility like Sabelo said, and they just turned a blind eye. They made her life difficult. They kept on pestering her to almost get rid of her. And this what the vaxxed need to understand.

[00:04:21] She eventually found another job. She still has pain. And so currently she has facial paralysis. I mean for a 26-year-old person who felt embarrassed in the height of the festive season, covering her hair with a fringe, feeling embarrassed to go out. She’s still depressed. She still has pain. So very emotional. There’s no government support. I’ve been her doctor. I’m the only port of call. She cries in my room because the general public or family sympathize with her and that’s not what she wants. My management of her has been carbamazepine, ivermectin, stillpayne, and psychotherapy, which has helped. 

[00:05:00] The next patient is a 45 year old male. He woke up at 3:00 AM to go to the toilet. And as he got out of his bed, he ended up with a blurred vision on the left eye. On examination, I find that he was totally blind on the left eye. It took the jab three months ago. This is the point I’m making, the vaccine companies can’t get away and say, it must happen tomorrow. It’s a time thing. It depends where it lands and clots don’t start happening overnight. It’s a progression, and there was no medical illness. Absolutely none.

[00:05:34] So we’re going to talk about how we’re going to tie this all together. He was a truck driver, which is important, a truck driver needs both pairs of eyes and two good pairs of eyes. And he was in the prime of his life. He looked brave when he came into me, but when I started asking him about his eye and what is he feel, the man just broke down and cried like a baby. And you know, in South Africa, men don’t cry. They feel very awkward, but he did. He was worried that he will not be able to work as the bread winner. He was depressed and broke down. I referred him to an eye clinic. There was no mention of vaccine and the blindness. The state hospital doctors for our rest of our audience are, in the bag. You know, the either gagged and they say nothing. So it wasn’t much of a reassurance. All they mentioned, there was a clot.

[00:06:21] Now as a first time in my 45 years of being a doctor, and I’ve worked in a lot of situations and casualty. I’ve never seen somebody go blind [inaudible] they’re young and they’re hearty. And to add to this poor gentleman’s misery, he had a cataract in the other eye. So which means if that failed, this man would be totally blind, but anyhow, he had the cataract operation, it did well.

[00:06:44] And then came in the complimentary medicines because our allopathic medicine didn’t work. I did a video, by the way, for those people who think that I’m not talking sense or I’m lying or I’m fraudulent, I’ve got videos of all the cases that I’ve treated successfully. So this video I put right up to the rest of the world and there was a lot of empathy going on.

[00:07:05] The meds did not work in spite of promises. These are complimentary people climbing on the bandwagon so we can do this and that nothing works. Nonetheless, he’s back at work with his good eye, but I’ve now ended up treating him for his depression. He’s back at work and is not driving. He’s earning less. Nobody gives a damn about this guy. 

[00:07:26] The next patient is 67-year-old retired health worker. She was in perfect health. She came to me, she took the vaccine a month ago because she was a senior. So these are seniors – must get projected and there was nothing wrong with her. She had severe pain on the right side of the face for two weeks, and she’s also a highly trigeminal neuralgia.

[00:07:45] She could not sleep at night. She was miserable every time she touched her chin. She couldn’t sleep at night. It would trigger an excruciating pain. I’ve really never seen any of this in my 45 years of practice. It’s mentioned in the textbook. It was the first time I’m seeing this. And when she turned in her sleep… you can imagine, here’s an old lady, she has her time when she’d go to sleep, turn her head, and next thing triggers up an excruciating pain; and she’s miserable. She was angry. She was depressed for taking the vaccine. And nobody told her and she could go to nobody. 

[00:08:17] My treatment there again was carbamezepine. You know I had put in ivermectin because I thought this was the prion protein in the spike protein that was causing some damage to the trigeminal nerve. I put her on trepiline. Fortunately for her within about a week or two she responded, 90%. That was rewarding. 

[00:08:36] This is a 50 year old male. He was carried into my rooms in September. He was a big burly man. He had self discharged from our state hospital because they were wasting his time and his words.

[00:08:48] And he responded very well within a week on my protocol. But unfortunately for him shortly after he got well, he too took the jab one month later and two weeks after he took the jab he developed weakness in the extensive time muscles. He’s a truck driver also. He can’t climb into the cab. He is the breadwinner. He’s depressed. He can’t work. He’s now got muscle damage in the quads. 

[00:09:14] Now here was a guy, I saved him. Where he had natural immunity. He takes a jab. And what he ends up with, a kind of paralysis of the thighs. He’s in the prime of his life. 

[00:09:26] 48 year old gentlemen, perfectly normal. When for his jab, two months later complained of chest discomfort. He went to the hospital and he was diagnosed with stage four lung cancer. He never smoked. He’s now boarded. He presented to me with an Omnicron infection. Here’s another case. Perfectly normal, gets a jab… I’m not going to go into the pathology of this. I believe there are pathologists on the panel. But what it has been said is that you take the jab, it interferes with the cells that protect you from carcinoma or cancer.

[00:09:59] So here’s an example. Perfectly normal guy gets the jab. And the next thing he gets stage four lung cancer. 

[00:10:06] 45 year old female, perfectly healthy, ran her own business, very confident, took the jab and shortly after she took the jab, she developed a severe panic disorder. And she was having a constant sensation that she was choking on her saliva. I’ve never heard of this before. And she would come into my room. She’s been to about five doctors before she seen me. She has been to the state. The state dismisses, ‘Oh, it’s a panic attack. Go home.‘ This woman would wake up in the middle of the night feeling that she was gonna die in our own saliva. And in actual fact, she didn’t have saliva. She had a sensation in the throat. It was giving a somatic symptom, as if she was choking. She was miserable. She was depressed. She could not swallow. She could not eat. She’d just throw up the food. And she was having full blown panic attacks. Fortunately, I could give a psychotherapy. Because I didn’t believe in using psychotropics.

[00:10:59] I find with anxiety is another big rubbish coming from big pharma. I treat this with the mind, breathing exercises. I gave a small cause of Ativan and I was desperate. And I had to put her on an SSRI because this poor woman was just not eating and nobody was listening to her. She’s learning to live with the condition. But it’s a terrible situation. She’s not herself. She’s using her coping mechanisms. She doesn’t come to me that often. So I presume she’s coping somehow. 

[00:11:26] The next one is a 65 year old female, perfectly healthy. Two weeks after developed a severe infarct. No history of angina, no diabetes, no raised cholesterol, not a smoker. The family’s most upset. Perfectly well, two weeks later ends up with a severe heart attack. 

[00:11:43] So the summary of the conditions that I’ve seen, would gaurd the Neuralgic disorders… I’ve had two cases of Trigeminal neuralgia, one with Bell’s Palsy, psychiatric severe anxiety with unexplained, somatic symptoms, jerking sensation.

[00:11:58] Then one was a Thrombatic episode. Blindness, sudden heart attack and my had a 70 year old gentleman, which I didn’t mention, who had a sudden stroke. Perfectly well. Suddenly he just had dysphagia. Then of course we have one with lung cancer and then the other one with muscle weakness. 

[00:12:14] And there’s another one I didn’t mention was a young man, about 30 years old. Who took the jab, about a month later, he ended up with formulating fulminant hepatitis, that was fatal. These things don’t happen. 

[00:12:27] So let’s go to some of the conclusions. How are we going to tie the clinical signs? What was predicted by the experts a year ago? One common denominator is all these people were perfectly healthy people. All took the jab. So that’s the common denominator. And it can be explained by the properties of the spike protein as described by Professor Baghdi, who mentioned that this is a poisonous protein, wherever it lands, and you can get a reaction and cause damage either to that nerve system or the organ that is implicated in this situation. And in fact, even in the blood. 

[00:13:03] So when one asks in this situation, how do you prove clinically that the vaccine was a cause of death. And I’m going to give you the analogy of an allergy. Allergies don’t have a blood test. We don’t have a blood tests to say, ‘We did a blood test. We’ll find out whether the vaccine was, of course, the side effect.’

[00:13:21] In allergies, what we do is by a process of exclusion, we make you take a list of things that you eat or contact for the day. And you do that for a week and we go by a precedent exclusion. And in this case, you very clearly… if you looked at all these patients that I’ve presented, they’ve had one common thing. They were all well. And the only thing they did was take the jab, nothing else.

[00:13:45] So it seems that the jab is the most common thing that stands out that will implicate the jab. The other evidence, is the high death rate among sportsmen that was mentioned by Dr. Edeling. 

[00:13:58] How do you explain? Before the jab, there was only seven deaths, according to FIFA. After the jab, there was 107 deaths. How do you explain myocarditis, arrhythmias in young people? 

[00:14:12] Then there was an instance of a funeral undertaker saying that he saw about a one-third to thirds increase in deaths, amongst young people with either strokes or heart attacks. What was never seen before. 

[00:14:23] Then there was this high insurance claims of 40% increase in the last year, by First National in America showing that there was claims of debts. Insurance claim debts are increased by 40, never in the history of the insurance industry, did they have such a high increase. And he was bold enough to declare this as most likely due to the jab, because there was no other explanation for it. 

[00:14:48] So my point is that I’m going to argue, that these people were healthy people. The only thing they took was a vaccine. And what we do know, this is a toxic protein and the pathology would take some time. It’s not a time thing in a definite period to say, oh, well, if you take it today and he died tomorrow, then definitely vaccine. This can affect you three months later because the inflammation can take some time. The thrombosis could take some time. 

[00:15:19] So, the onus of responsibility, as far as I’m concerned, to disprove this theory, this postulate or conjecture, should rest on the vaccine manufacturers and not us because as a practitioner I’ve never seen in my 45 years, any of the cases I presented that were people who were healthy and suddenly ended up with events like they have.

[00:15:42] Well, I think that about does it for me. And I thank you for your attendance. And I’m just the GP up there. So I hope I haven’t bored you with fancy figures and fancy data. And by the way, if anybody’s looking for data, that’s one thing I think we can hold the WHO and the FDA and CDC as a biggest bunch of frauds and I’m not afraid to say this. When the WHO said go home and isolate because no treatment, I’m going to say that WHO is guilty of genocide because in the 1000 very sick Delta strain patient that I treated with pneumonia with my protocol, I had a 99.5%, 995 people got better.

[00:16:25] The one patient at a 35% oxygen and on home treatment, home oxygen within six weeks, I got up to 95%. On that premise any lawyer wants to take it on, we should sue them for genocide or giving the wrong information. That should launch it. Shop these guys up. Thank you. 

[00:16:45] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: The inimitable, Dr. E V. Rapitti from Cape Town, South Africa. Thank you for sharing with us, your frontline experiences. Of course, we know the GPs are the first medical professionals who are going to be seeing these victims and survivors of these injections. And so therefore your insight and data is essential in being able to assist the victims.

[00:17:07] And that’s one of the aims of this conference. It is to inspire, inform, and empower the survivors as well as the families of victims to understand what causation is and to know that there is a way forward to achieve transparency and accountability. Dr. Rapiti is also an adviser and ambassador for SAVAERS and he makes great efforts to raise awareness through his content of the importance of reporting to an actual system. Thank you, Dr. Rapiti. 

[00:17:36] Hand over to my colleague, Mark Trozzi to moderate any Q&A for Dr EV Rapiti.

[00:17:43] Dr. Mark Trozzi: Forgive me for turning off my camera, I just have limited data. Dr. Rapiti, thank you so much. Not only for your presentation, thank you for everything you’ve been teaching and the practice you’ve been having and just your sincerity and honesty. I really love the physiological basis for your clinical reasoning.

[00:18:02] I wish we were colleagues in a hospital and/or you were my personal doctor. So, great respect. I have a few questions. One is you mentioned about, and I really want to support what you said, it is a very unusual thing to inject people with genetic material and have their body pumping out a poison spike protein. And I’m so grateful you’ve pointed this out. You mentioned about people persistently being producers of spike protein. And this is a question that, that comes up sometime. We’ve seen with Pfizer, like up to about 30 days before it’s detectable in the blood, but it doesn’t take much to trigger autoimmune disease when your cells are coded in the stuff they made. And we’ve heard of replicase enzymes. 

[00:18:42] We’d love it if you could comment, do you think that all people will be persistently producing spike proteins? Is this a variable between different patients? 

[00:18:53] Dr. Rapiti: Yeah, I would think, you know, if you look as a theory behind it it seems like the spike protein is self-generating, it doesn’t rely too much on the body itself. It has its own replicase enzyme and according to professor Bhakdi, it converts itself into a factory. And once it starts producing these spike proteins, what are we going to be seeing Mark is we’re going to see autoimmune diseases. I mean, I’m not going to go too much into it, but the evidence is there. Professor Khunti did a study with about 450,000, it was a meta analysis of patients who were admitted with advanced disease in England and Europe. And what they found that one third of those people were re admitted, but not with Covid, but with auto immune disease and primarily diabetes. Which means either the spike protein, even the coronavirus. So I think much more from the spike protein of the vaccine. 

[00:19:49] Apart from that, there’s another thing that we seem to have overlooked. And I think we need to mention this. The reason in South Africa, we can’t prove too much, we don’t have the facilities for pathology investigation. Professor Bhakdi did a study on 15 patients who died of heart attacks and he did a post-mortem and they had a 93% proof that there was a definite correlation.

[00:20:13] So if you’re looking for correlation between vaccine deaths, vaccine, and deaths, then your post-mortem is your answer. So if the vaccine companies want to disprove them, they must set aside money. We need to go and do the postmortems. And that’s the way we’re going to do it. And it’s going to be masses of people.

[00:20:32] And in South Africa, the numbers I’m seeing are far less of what is really happening because people cannot tie it up. People don’t know why they suddenly got a stroke. They accept that they are just basically sick. And the second thing is I want to do a lot of pro deo work because I feel firstly, these people wait innocently. I don’t expect them to pay. I’m not talking about what a good guy I am, but I think I have more moral duty to these people. I mean, some of them come to me six times with the same problem, where on earth are they going to get their money when they know they don’t even have a job? 

[00:21:09] So, yes, Mark, I think this is going to come on as we advance. We know for a fact that people who have taken the vaccine, their immunity is being depressed. In Germany they found that the people have been doubled vaxxed, their immune system dropped by 87%. These people are AIDS patients. We talking about AIDS patients. There’s the evidence. What more do we want?

[00:21:33] I think in a year’s time, we’re going to start seeing people falling like flies. But I think before that happens, we need to get into action, start doing something.

[00:21:42] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Thank you, Dr Rapiti. 

[00:21:44] Mark, I’ve noticed two other questions. I’m not sure if you spotted, but if not, let me direct Dr. Rapiti’s attention to them. 

[00:21:52] The one is from Derk Vessels. Are there any signs of auto immunity or mainly damage to the neurons? 

[00:21:59] Dr. Rapiti: It would seem it affects the prion protein of the, you know, the spike protein is such a tiny, tiny thing. There’s a prion protein that seems to affect the sheets of the nerves. And it could affect, I would think wherever there’s an ACE two receptor that’s throughout the body because we have people that probably have got Parkinson’s, myotrophic lateral sclerosis, Guillain-Barre.

[00:22:21] So the body is not spared. Whichever part it goes to, I mean, like I’ve mentioned, it landed in the liver, I would presume, of this one young man, and he ended up with prominent hepatitis and he died. I’ve never seen that. I mean, they come to me with hepatitis and they get better. They take six weeks, but they just don’t die.

[00:22:41] So I would think that’s what happens. It attaches. And there’s probably an inflammatory because what happens is it’s an auto-immune response then because it attaches to the cell, the body sees an antibody. It’s like killing the baby with the bath water. It kills the cell with the spike protein and thereafter you got your damage.

[00:23:00] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: One last question for you, Dr. Rapiti, before we let you go to your interview, and that is from a survivor and we prefer that word to the word victim. This is from Zuma Alfonzo. I was injured after my first Pfizer vaccine, back in June. I developed severe insomnia and jerking. I now have to take sedative to sleep at night because of the [inaudible]. My question is why are some people okay and why did I get injured? 

[00:23:31] Dr. Rapiti: Yeah, that’s the million dollar question. It depends where the spike protein, we don’t know enough about this vaccine and how it works. So for anybody to come and declare that it’s absolutely safe, it’s absolute rubbish. We all know the [inaudible] took four to five years after it was approved for it to be discontinued. People are suffering now. So what my impression would be is, and this is what’s so good about not being a specialist and a generalist is that many of you do not know the amount of side effects that hypertensive medications have. And I can co-relate what the patient, the court has asked for now. There’s these, uh, like the ACE inhibitors are notorious and it’s not mentioned by any cardiologist.

[00:24:16] When you take a thing like perindopril, these are hypertensive drugs, like ACE inhibitors. I’ve seen several patients who came to me with isolated nerve problems, where they have a paresthesia, or they would complain of excruciating pain in one spot. My impression is that the spike protein has affected a particular part of the nervous system, and that is why she’s probably getting this jerky movement.

[00:24:43] In fact, today, I had one patient with a hypertension drug that made her hand go shaky all the time. So I would think this is what it’s localized and affects that part. I think we just be glad it’s not affecting the entire body because the entire body would be shaking. So my go-to treatment there by the way for this poor lady is to try ivermectin. And acetylcysteine and given whatever you’ve got to give it your try.

[00:25:08] I do it by technique that nobody knows about in the world. And that is, I use a needling technique. I do not believe in [inaudible]. A lot of rubbish. It has never been proven to work, but I do needling and that works very well. But yeah, so there are lots wrong in medicine. What’s not in the textbook is in our brains waiting to come up. We need the textbooks to get our information, to get into those books. I have a wealth of experience about a lot of things that’s not in textbook because I’m a little old GP working in a small, old job. But platforms like this helped me, but you know, I have my patients, I help those who get adverse events. I don’t throw in the towel. 

[00:25:50] Herman Edeling: Just a quick comment in relation to your most recent question to Dr. Rapiti. I think there’s enough evidence now that every batch of the Pfizer vaccine is not the same. Because the adverse event profile, the numbers of deaths differ between batches and also the types of permanent disability differ between batches. So there’s probably differences in the concentration and there’s probably also differences in the other substances, apart from the lipid nanoparticles and mRNA that are in certain batches. So I think that is the most probable reason for some people getting adverse events.

[00:26:28] Dr. Rapiti: Can I respond to that? Well, I think that the hackers has went into the software of Pfizer and Moderna, and they’ve identified it. They broke through their codes and they’ve identified it. There are three types of batches. And the one that’s labeled E the one that is labeled E is a lethal batch. It’s illegal to use lethal batches to test on humans. You only use lethal amounts on animals to prove what dose is lethal. So it is there. Professor Yeadon, the ex Pfizer scientists is prepared to go to court to show that there’s the dosage. There’s a great deal of disparity. That in itself, that in itself disqualifies this trial, because if one of the things in a randomized control trial, you need consistency.

[00:27:17] So they have failed on all scores. So even if we don’t go fighting about the vaccine and what it does, this trial has failed because they did not comply with the requirements. And the FDA is complicit in this. 

[00:27:32] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Thank you very much to Dr. Rapiti. Greatly appreciated. For us, for many people, you are the epitome of ubuntu – or oneness. And I am because you are. Thank you very much for your time. 

[00:27:44] Dr. Rapiti: One last thing, Shabnam, one last thing, just to let the group know I’m busy on a 50 page affidavit. I want to thrash the living [inaudible] of these crap. I’m going to go up against these scientists and put my brains against it, but let’s, let’s take hope in that. Thank you for a great show, God bless. 

[00:28:04] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Dr Rapiti, do you have time for one last question? 

[00:28:05] Dr. Rapiti: Yeah, sure. 

[00:28:07] Dr. Mark Trozzi: Thanks. And this relates to a couple of people’s questions, I think, regarding shingles and un-vaccinated. So the question is, are you seeing in your clinical practice evidence of people poisoned by the spike protein though they weren’t personally injected? i.e. by spike protein shedding of the injected. 

[00:28:24] Dr. Rapiti: Look, it’s a theory because I mean, Mark, I mean, I’ve heard some virologist speak of a possibility because you could breed the spike protein is producing so much. It’s a small as a virus, if you can share the virus why can’t you share the spike protein? That’s the one thing. But what I can definitely attest to, I haven’t seen it yet, is that people being vaccinated, could end up with shingles and they are going to, because it was a prediction because when they end up with AIDS auto-immune disease because of declining natural immunity, they’re going to have a problem. Because I have seen people coming to me, with being vaccinated and coming to me with the omicron strain and being severely ill, severely ill. Whereas the people that have been previously infected and came to me with an omicron infection did not have the pneumonias. So that, that in itself tells you the, the vaccine A doesn’t work B it suppresses the natural immunity and what’s the result, they get fulminating infections like pneumonia within four days.

[00:29:27] This needs to warn people that this omicron can be bad, though it’s a very mild strain, within four days. And I mean, that’s a talk for another time. How we can pick it up fast. But nobody’s listening to me. We don’t need x-ray scans. We can pick it up for two lines. But yeah, we’re going to see a lot of shingles, a lot of chicken pox, a lot of TB because people cannot fight it back. I agree with that. 

[00:29:52] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Thank you, Dr. Rapiti. Certainly your work is going to be critical in establishing causation here in South Africa, as well as being a guide for people around the world. Thank you very much for your time and your commitment. 

[00:30:04] Dr. Rapiti: Thank you very much. God bless. 

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